Oh, you’re a Christian? I am sorry, I didn’t know you believe in a Sky-God who has been outspoken about hating people while they were still in their mother’s womb, who is so infantile in his actions that he murdered virtually all humankind in a flood because they had gone down the wrong path. What’s that? He knows everything in advance? So he knew that’s where they were going and allowed it. Well.
How do you keep your mind so closed, ignoring all that science has discovered and learned? You cannot seriously believe that humans co-existed with dinosaurs, can you? Oh, I see, you believe that dinosaurs never existed and that God planted them in the earth 6,000 years ago on one fine day in October to cause us to lose faith in science.
Oh, the Genesis story tells us how it was done. Where did the light come from on day one—the sun and moon did not come along until day four? And what is all this about Adam not finding a suitable mate after searching the whole of the animal kingdom so God relented and made woman? Did God not know this before? Thought he knew everything, but oh well, it was early.
The God of yours seems a little like the Lawgiver in the Plant of the Apes and his defenders sound like Dr. Zaius.
Maybe one day, your eyes will be opened to the hatred and prejudice of your belief system and you will come to your senses. It is my greatest desire for you to lose your fear and superstition because, you see, while everything you stand for and everything you believe and all you actions are abhorrent and are worthy of death, I still love you.
Harsh? Not really, not when you listen to those who are convinced homosexuality is the SINof SINS.
In the early 1970’s in High School, a teacher, whom I otherwise loved, told the class one day that he could prove through the Bible and Science and History that Blacks were not the same species as whites. It is beliefs like this that enabled people to find justification for enslaving them, not to mention it is a practice as old as time and sanctioned by the Bible. Most major denominations have since disavowed and apologized for their stances concerning blacks, and even though 40% of Republicans in Alabama still think it wrong for blacks to marry whites, and in spite of Loving v. Virginia (1967), Alabama did finally—in 2000—legalize black and white marriage (they had to because so many blacks and whites are married there).
It is this same group for the most part who—while not talking much about homosexuality in the 1970’s—now believe homosexuality is the greatest threat to the country, bringing down on us the wrath of God.
This always bothers me: love the sinner, hate the sin.
Sounds good in theory. We all know people who do things that irritate the bejeesus out of us, but we love them anyway. Probably I fit into that category with many people because I tend to be rather outspoken with my opinions and that does rankle people. There is old Uncle Joe, who, in addition to moving kind of slow, tends to mangle the newspaper when he reads it, it is all-but-impossible to pick it up after he is done. We put up with it because we love him.
Someone has said to me that if given the chance to talk to an LBGT person for a period of time she could explain to the person why he disapproves of their actions vehemently because God has condemned them but that in the end, he loves them as a person. All this while he tells them he will continue to pray for them to be healed and to turn their life back to God and forsake their sinful lifestyle.
I don’t believe this is possible and would love to be a fly on a wall watching this attempt.
Maybe it will work, but in doing so, the person is elevating herself above the level of God, who is on record hating people for their lifestyles and sins and, with Esau, for nothing:
I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more … yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. — Hosea 9:15-16
And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. — Leviticus 20:23
I will … cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you. — Leviticus 26:30
And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them … for they are … children in whom is no faith. — Deuteronomy 32:19-20
The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity. — Psalm 5:5
The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. — Psalm 11:5
Biblical literalists and those who believe in the inerrancy of the Bible can explain these, but in doing so, they have to leave the literal interpretation, especially with Esau.
The prime commandments are these: LOVE GOD and LOVE PEOPLE, and each has a complete listing of rules under them. If we follow these, we should leave the judging and changing of people to God, who does it better than anyone.
But, what about the Great Commission? What about Church Discipline?
But, then, what about not judging lest you be judged or leaving vengeance to the Lord?
Or, my favorite verses to cite to Biblical Literalists:
Let the one who does wrong continue to do wrong; let the vile person continue to be vile; let the one who does right continue to do right; and let the holy person continue to be holy.” —Revelation 22: 11
Love the sinner and hate the sin? Much easier to just love everyone.
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The phrase originated with Ghandi, a known non-Christian, who many say is consigned to eternal torment for being possibly the best human to walk the earth.